#End_Hoz_Discrimination

I would like to see HoZs on the new server.. i know dev says its a game breaker but i fail to see that

I Wanted one for years!! LOL, but if I'm Honest it can be a Game Breaker.

Okay, HoZ w/ no pre-round zerk? :)

Im willing to compromise, but why remove the pre-round, its not much of an advantage.. loss or gain..

Actually there is an advantage, that's the reason everybody wants it.

Im willing to compromise, but why remove the pre-round, its not much of an advantage.. loss or gain..

If there wasn't an advantage then why do you need/want the pre-round?

HoZ is OP. Honestly, if it were adjusted, no pre-round I think itd be fine, but i think with the HoZ they need to hit a bit harder, go zerk when 1st round begins, some spell resistance.

This way, It wouldn't be that good in pvp but it'll still kick ass in pve.

Lol Mike HoZing in pvp is a noob idea.. fumble an ur done, and i was merely asking a question on why would we remove it?

Its OP, to me i don't mind either way. But the Fact you can get in 7 swings even before fight begins is kinda crazy :)

Play Legacy

Personally, I think HoZ is mostly definitely OP. But, if you're going to leave it in - make the items you carry non-insurable and and a negative affect the way wiz gear does (+5% thaum, -15% necro). Maybe an endurance negative. So you're a glass canon and may lose your stuff. The goal would be to 1-round it or you're in trouble.

RedBeard and I discussed this a bit on the Legacy server and I made the point that there will always be a way to cheese fights. Whether it's using a HoZ to get an extra attack in or holding monsters with Hold / Orb of Holding and basically getting a "4 pre-round berserk" without being hit by monsters at all. RedBeard made the point that on the new server it won't be this way with holds as monsters can shrug but I don't know how often that'll happen.

Unless the development team actively nerfs ways to cheese fights there will always be a way to do things easily.

For me HoZ is allowing me to level easier by not having to click as much and letting me be a bit more on auto pilot with it. For me if the 1 round pre-round free hits was taken out I probably still would use HoZ for farming low level things and all sorts of stuff.