Forrest of Death

Started by XxShAdYxX
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XxShAdYxX

I know you guys have a lot on your plate with things you are already working on. But FoD was a big part of Realm History. Any chance we can get that area revamped? I don't really have any(good) ideas on exactly what that would look like but perhaps something like an automatic PvP [ON] upon stepping into the area(if possible) with some area exclusive drops. This coming from a non pvper. If thats not anything possible or considerable perhaps just buff the hell outta the creatures already and add an area exclusive drop. It would be a nice break from the dungeon grind as well as Making FoD Great Again. Anyone got any ideas for a revamp to FoD could look like? Also, any official response on being open or not to a FoD revamp and how likely it would be to see this within a year would be GREATLY appreciated.

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Redbeard (Staff)

This thought is on my mind, here is what I was thinking:

  • Death Consequence (no insurance)
  • Low Chance at PvP reward item
  • Unique boss w/ low chance of unique PvP item
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XxShAdYxX

The death consequence could be interesting. Even though items are bound it gives the pvper an opportunity to make coin by selling it back to the victim. The boss would be incredible. The race to him would cause pvp fights to break out…masterful idea! My only concern is you did not mention a revamp to the creatures that are currently running around FoD. I think that needs to be a major part of this. Creatures that jump. Also Ambushes would be a nice and I believe much needed touch. FoD should be a place thats full of strong creatures that are annoying. FoD should be a place most players do not want to go. The ambushes would also be helpful in limiting the amount of trolls that will just sit there all day waiting to jump everyone. Because having PvPers sit in one place trying to gank anyone going to a cave would not be a good addition to the game. There should be risk involved for them too by just being in the area.

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Zangulas

You’re going to have a lot of angry people running to DH and HC if they get auto flagged PVP and get set up for PKing when they just want to grind dungeons.

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Steve

^ screw those people. they have had their reign for 20 years.

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Zangulas

Haha see what I mean? Flash is already setting up a strategy to wipe out all the casuals! =P

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Steve

just please do something for pvp. it was dying then it died, then it was revived to life support, but i see it dying again with all the "commonizing" and rise of RNG determining the outcome directly. damage mitigation needs major love

rewards are nice, choices are nice

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Zangulas

If they want to save PVP, they need to give spendable points for participating and allow you to cash in those points for Bauldrics or titles. If there is no incentive, the majority of people aren’t going to participate.

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Groot

Have the FoD boss drop multiple skill baubles, disable tp,gather and home in FoD, make a death penalty that you drop all skill baubles in your inventory. With auto /yes in FoD of course. I guess a way to keep ppl from logging off after they kill the boss too, maybe disable the log off option in FoD.

Myabe just jumping that particular boss could make you /yes, accidental wandering into FoD might become a problem if auto /yes was a condition of entering.

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XxShAdYxX

Groot what are you on about? You want to make it so once you enter the area and especially if you die you can just get repeatedly jumped with no escape? Go home. That's absurd. We're talking about a revamp that is fair. You're taking about turning into an inescapable prison of endless PvP jumping. PVPers need to be at risk from NPCs as well. To maintain a balance. Your idea of creating an inescapable prison shows that you just wanna see the game burn down to ground.

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Groot

No, you go home when you die, just with out the baubles. If you risk going to get them, then you risk trying to escape FoD with them. Sounds fun to me

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Zangulas

Sounds kind of like capture the flag. That could be an interesting way to get more people involved in PVP. You could also introduce a PVP ranking system showing who has the most kills vs deaths.

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Zepher

Personally I'd rather the dev team put time into something the majority of the realm would benefit from, not the 10-15 pvpers who play the game. Give us new hard zones (overland and dungeons), new items, prestige only weapons and armor, give us prestige 2-3 etc.. I've been back on realm for less than 2 month, already lvl 2000, fully geared and bored. If you gate the high level dungeons behind force pvp zones you'll just have more people not bothering to log in.
So you say, well then you could get into PvP so your not bored.. Sorry but I just don't get a thrill out of ruining someone elses day, I've always put pvpers/gankers in the same bag as scammers, its the toxic portion of the community, and it would be dissapointing to see the dev team cater to it.
Maybe if you wanted a /yes zone make it and area that doesn't have caves and isn't adjuacent to a town so people can't accidently walk in.. maybe make an entirely new zone 'loser island' or something, give it special drops as you say so people can go there and try their luck, but don't force pvp down peoples throats.

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Steve

so we need to cater to you literally being a close minded "bigot" against pvpers cuz you associate them with scammers? brooo i hope that logic doesnt flow into your real life….

PVP in realm is like a game of chess, nothing like scamming. get out of here with that crap.

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Steve

people like zeph and groot are why nothing will get better.. freaking extreme and lacking logic on both sides.

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Zepher

because I don't agree with you I lack logic? sorry Steve but every post from you I see on these forums is cater to me cater to me, screw those who don't agree with me, screw those who don't solo, screw those who don't pvp.. just getting angry all the time doesn't help to get your point across.
Staged pvp or dueling is like a game of chess sure, but open world pvp will be groups of 4-6 hiding in the bushes ganking people going out to farm zones, don't pretend like it won't, that's what I associate with scamming.

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Groot

Anyone got any ideas for a revamp to FoD could look like?

So you ask for ideas then get offended someone snowballed one that doesn't align with exactly what you had in mind so I must want to burn the game to the ground. If you wanted someone to just agree with what you said then you should have just asked for ppl to support your idea instead.

And what type of person am I exactly Steve? I'm sure I'm not the type of person to fuss over changes or lack thereof. If it's the type of person that can have fun trying to escape with my baubles from the pvp'ers and think that's fun, then I am. If you think I have had a hand in the way this game has shaped up then you are just wrong, this might be the first real feedback or idea I have given to this game.

I suggested my idea because I think it would get ppl to come out of their safety zones and try for some baubles. Maybe it would inspire them to work on their pvp skills in general and gain some fondness for it.

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Stryker

i am not a pvper but wouldnt care if you made a high risk/high reward zone for it ,
just
1) make npcs highly aggressive (if you want to gank then be prepared to be ganked too )
2) have a pop up window (pvp yes zone … are you sure you want to enter? ) to prevent accidental zone ins . and
3) keep insurance, just double or triple it and then give half of that to the winner. if the loser is getting jumped alot and/or their cash is getting low they can go home after their death if they dont want to play there anymore.

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Steve

no dude, you lack logic because you lack logic. i am totally OK changing my view if presented with a logical reason to do so.. you have not provided anything on that front.

There is this thing called pvp grace. so before you bitch about the game and how this or that will be try learning what already exist before typing. like seriously you people complain and bitch and then bitch and complain that im the issue. at least im consistent and logical… im not trying to shut down anyones fun, im trying to expand mine and maybe expand yours. WHY are you so adamant to shut down my fun?

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Zepher

I'm not asking you to change your view, all I did was provide mine, you're the one who's attacking peoples opinions because they do not align with your own.

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Steve

its not about not aligning, its about being baseless, inaccurate and trying to paint us wanting the game to grow for ALL as "gankers and scammers" and " be disappointed if the dev team catered to it" thats why i came at you bro. youre ignorant and youre pushing your ignorance.

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Zepher

People are giving opinions and you're just sitting there like a child throwing insults and calling people names because you don't agree with their opinion. You're just saying over and over how others opinions have no logic behind them, but not explaining how you come to that conclusion, somehow we're expected to believe that you're some authority on logic?

You're only argument is because you want it. that's the only reason I've seen.. you want it. Pvp won't make the game grow, surely your not that dense. Pvp isn't going to attract people to the game, Pvp isn't going to keep people from quitting because there's no new gear to farm and no new dungeons to hunt. Pvp is going to keep a very small portion of the population happy and likely piss if a larger portion of the population because they will be hassled while just trying to relax and play the game, but as you've stated above "screw those people", because it's what you want.

Lets break it down a little, i'm sure any simpleton could figure this out in a matter of seconds, but I'll spell it out for you.
There's ~250 characters online now, lets be generous and say there's 150 unique people online, likely closer to 100.. out of those, the pvp population would be?? again being generous 10 people? maybe 15?
lets say 15% of the population are pvpers.
You're suggesting that the dev's put their very limited time into catering for these 15% of people, over working on prestige 2, new dungeons, overland zones, armor, weapons etc, which would add content to almost the entire population. Where is the logic in that, it's absurd.

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Steve

pvp doesn't need any time sunk into it. its really not that bad right now… just enable us to get more of it..just tweak here tweak there. simple. no need to dedicate a team to or anything.

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Zangulas

Come on Zepher! Don’t you know the world is controlled by the loudest minority? Stop trying to use logic…
I have no interest in PVP right now, but if they gave me a reason to do it. Some incentive… any incentive…. I’d be all over it. Maybe I’d like it, maybe I wouldn’t. I just don’t care enough to try right now.

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XxShAdYxX

Guys. Can we have a constructive conversation here instead of bashing each other? I'm not a pvper myself. But this would be a goid addition to the game. High risk, high reward. Its ok yo force some of us out of our boxes. Most good games do exactly that. Offer different experiences in different areas. The biggest most needed aspect to keep this from becoming an awful change would be very very strong, highly aggressive NPCs.. You cant just have PVPers waiting to gank all day.