Hello again staff an fellow realmers. Im writing in this forum again today to bring up another problem were facing and have been facing for some time. Archangel, Cyberpunk, D3VIL to name a few are scammers. We don't all know about them and we haven't all been scammed. But were all affected by it nonetheless. Everyday I come online I am greeted by friends and occasional troublemakers but for the most part I am welcomed in every part of the realm. I love this game and want to see it grow and continue to prosper against the modern RPGs out. However the one part of this game that makes my blood boil Is knowing someone new or returning or even just a hardcore grinding friend of mine has been wronged and is on the verge of leaving this game because of a scammer. I know CoC and I know that its not against it to scam. That harassment is defined as repeated harassing of a person. But what about repeated harassment of the realm? We are under threat daily from this person Archangel. Who seems to take joy from our misery and has no quams about people leaving the server permanently because of his actions. I ask the realm the staff the mods is this fair? We cant be there all the time to inform and defend our fellow realmers from these threats. I put it to the forum.. should this be allowed to continue ? Can we possibly or should we remove this one person from our game if possible? I would love some feedback and again I appreciate all the things our community and staff do for us daily. I am a part of this world and want to see it be amazing. Lets cut this rot from our server and be a happy family of realmers!
Predacious
Hey TBB
Ok scamming is really just another form of game play, they are acting out there fantasy, This is i agree very annoying to be scammed or to know our friends have been scammed. HOWEVER there is nothing in the TOS that says this form of game play is punishable. Realm has never had trade windows, which is why players should always ask for refs on channel before going into a trade, as i have said time and time again..i do not trade with ANYONE who is not at least in pro gears. I will NEVER had first UNLESS i have done many trades with a person. IF in doubt use a Middle person (MP)
One my website is a undated list of KNOWN scammers, i know for a fact that many people check this regularly. I do try to keep that updated, HOWEVER i will never ruin the game for any player. for a person to be added to this list proof of scam MUST be show.. fortunately these days we have Discord which time stamps ALL Chat in trade and newbie channels (hint hint)
Maybe this is not the answer you where hoping for BUT.. you play your account your way.. i play mine my way and they play theirs, sadly not as friendly as the rest of us.
What did he lose? May be able to replace it.
Hi Jason,
We certainly understand the frustration with the game not having a built in way to securely trade items between players. While we don't have an ETA, we do intend to build this functionality into the game.
Scamming will probably always be a part of The Realm Online, as well as people over charging on trade channel on items. We have been dealing with scammers for 20+ years and been promised over the years that trade windows or something of that nature will be worked in but we have yet to see it so i wont hold my breath on it.
It is unfortunate that scammers likely prey on the poor and uninformed,those whom it may have a negative impact on. Most people i find dont think it's the end of the world to lose a few mil. It's not even that common is it?
There is only one way to limit scamming and that is to make it impossible to do… There will always be scumbags in an MMO… But if you want to limit their ability to be scumbags only the developers can enact rules and limitations on them… You can ban them but they will be back with free accounts to continue with their petty ways… House robbing was very common until it was fixed in such a way that it is nearly impossible to commit today… So too will trade scamming if a secure method is made… But its entirely up to the devs to make it… Can Rat Labs fix the mistakes made by Sierra? Only time will tell! Demons do what demons do… You have to shackle them to prevent them from doing evil…
Getting scammed is almost a right of passage. It forces you to communicate with other players and develop friendships. I remember when I got scammed by Cyberpunk for 1M, it was over half my gold. I felt like a complete fool and was embarrassed I didn’t take the time just to rely on the people around me. But Moon helped me out and refunded my losses, which I later paid back and in a way it was all worth it. If we make things to generic, the game will lose what makes it special.
First off I DO NOT condone scamming, but… if I want trade windows and auction houses I'll play any of the other games that offer those features. Scamming IS part of the game. Reputations and community set The Realm apart from almost all other games. Adding trade windows or an auction house would be a HUGE step in the WRONG direction in my humble opinion. Using a middle person, building a reputation, asking for refs, and scamming have ALWAYS been a part of The Realm, and ALWAYS should be. It is a GREAT and AMAZING feeling and accomplishment to build a reputation, have people trust you, have people hand to you first, and for those who EARNED it be used as a middle person to help facilitate a trade for others who have not. If you add trade windows or auction houses ALL of that is dead. Being scammed is on the other end of the spectrum and sucks. But do not take away an amazing part of the community, and one of the things I love most about the realm… PEOPLES REPUTATIONS. Even if The Realm ever scales and grows as we all hope it does(not too big tho) this unique(if old and outdated) part of the game should live on! There are so many other NEW games with fancy graphics and features. The Realm needs to be different and not blend in with the generic masses of games I do not, and will not play.
Secure Trading will be required in some form if they ever want to attract new players.
All of the nostalgia about "it's always been this way!" and commentary about reputations mean nothing to a new player.
How about they make it an optional toggle and we let people so opposed to it continue playing without it?
Any friend I’ve made on this game has been through trading. There really is no other points of interaction in this game, no forced grouping , no guilds, no reason to PVP. People don’t stick around for the endless content, they stick around and come back for the social aspects of the game. If you’re only here to grind and never talk to anyone, there are much better games suited to you.
There's nothing about a trade window that changes the need for interaction.
You still need to advertise, negotiate, price check, etc.
Everything changes with any sort of Auction House system.
This is why Secure Trade is a "big term" and there really should be more discussion about the best way to implement it rather than simply a "yes, add" or "no, don't add" discussion.
There's nothing about a trade window that changes the need for interaction.
You still need to advertise, negotiate, price check, etc.
Everything changes with any sort of Auction House system.
This is why Secure Trade is a "big term" and there really should be more discussion about the best way to implement it rather than simply a "yes, add" or "no, don't add" discussion.
Reputation or being an MP is important to a lot of people and that will be gone forever with a secure trade system. An auction house would destroy the market as slow as new items get released. If they make a secure trade system it will need to cost an extra 20% at least.
Secure Trading will be required in some form if they ever want to attract new players.
All of the nostalgia about "it's always been this way!" and commentary about reputations mean nothing to a new player.
How about they make it an optional toggle and we let people so opposed to it continue playing without it?
Why is secure trading "required" to attract new players? I highly doubt the lack of a secure trading system is preventing new players from trying the game out, or making them leave if they do try. If anything I think it is a feature a lot of people would appreciate on both sides of the spectrum. People who want to do good and build a reputation, and those who are interested in trying to cut corners and be deceitful. Either side involves time and effort to achieve via social interaction. And its not just the nostalgia that makes it important. Being different makes it important. I do not want The Realm to be like most other games out there. Too many games are so similar and cookie cutter pay to win productions. Player interaction and reputation makes it the most important. Reputation and needing to trust people or use a middle person is not a feature you find on almost any other game. I would much rather have time and effort developing the game be spent on content, and mobile integration.
Secure Trading will be required in some form if they ever want to attract new players.
All of the nostalgia about "it's always been this way!" and commentary about reputations mean nothing to a new player.
How about they make it an optional toggle and we let people so opposed to it continue playing without it?
Why is secure trading "required" to attract new players? I highly doubt the lack of a secure trading system is preventing new players from trying the game out, or making them leave if they do try. If anything I think it is a feature a lot of people would appreciate on both sides of the spectrum. People who want to do good and build a reputation, and those who are interested in trying to cut corners and be deceitful. Either side involves time and effort to achieve via social interaction. And its not just the nostalgia that makes it important. Being different makes it important. I do not want The Realm to be like most other games out there. Too many games are so similar and cookie cutter pay to win productions. Player interaction and reputation makes it the most important. Reputation and needing to trust people or use a middle person is not a feature you find on almost any other game. I would much rather have time and effort developing the game be spent on content, and mobile integration.
I just don't believe for a second that a millennial is going to play this game for 4 hours, invest their time (and maybe money) and finally go to do their first deal (where they are going to naturally assume there is a trade window due to that being a modern standard) get scammed for everything they worked for and think "that was really fun and engaging. I will now do research on how I could have prevented this!"
Seems a real fallacy to assume that because we did that 20 years ago people are going to do it today. Times change.
It seems you disagree, and that is fine. We are both stating our opinions on this and neither of us have any "evidence" to support their position. It's fine if you think the above scenario will happen and I am happy to just agree to disagree.
Secure Trading will be required in some form if they ever want to attract new players.
All of the nostalgia about "it's always been this way!" and commentary about reputations mean nothing to a new player.
How about they make it an optional toggle and we let people so opposed to it continue playing without it?
Why is secure trading "required" to attract new players? I highly doubt the lack of a secure trading system is preventing new players from trying the game out, or making them leave if they do try. If anything I think it is a feature a lot of people would appreciate on both sides of the spectrum. People who want to do good and build a reputation, and those who are interested in trying to cut corners and be deceitful. Either side involves time and effort to achieve via social interaction. And its not just the nostalgia that makes it important. Being different makes it important. I do not want The Realm to be like most other games out there. Too many games are so similar and cookie cutter pay to win productions. Player interaction and reputation makes it the most important. Reputation and needing to trust people or use a middle person is not a feature you find on almost any other game. I would much rather have time and effort developing the game be spent on content, and mobile integration.
I just don't believe for a second that a millennial is going to play this game for 4 hours, invest their time (and maybe money) and finally go to do their first deal (where they are going to naturally assume there is a trade window due to that being a modern standard) get scammed for everything they worked for and think "that was really fun and engaging. I will now do research on how I could have prevented this!"
Seems a real fallacy to assume that because we did that 20 years ago people are going to do it today. Times change.
It seems you disagree, and that is fine. We are both stating our opinions on this and neither of us have any "evidence" to support their position. It's fine if you think the above scenario will happen and I am happy to just agree to disagree.
I am fine agreeing to disagree:) I appreciate the back and forth in a respectful manner without attacking one another. We all have our opinions and no one can really say which is right… they are opinions. Part of the responsibility falls on the community to help figure these things out. At the end of the day Rat Labs will do what they think is best.
In my opinion, the players that befriend other players and build their trust over time to end up backstabbing their friend in the back are the lowest of the low. No one enjoys being scammed, but those betrayals are the only instances of scamming on this server that I've seen people quit over. Don't be a dick to your friends people. Also, don't trust ANY other players with your account info.
If scamming on realm is somthing that interests you. You should really get a life.
Sips coffee while quietly loling to self
