So, I adore this game. I have come to fall in love with the content, the fighting, the dungeons. All of it, except for the World Boss Cheating. I'm sorry mods, honestly I am. But, there is a serious World Boss Cheating problem. Not only is it always the same people ALWAYS killing, but I've come to see a pattern in WB Fights.
- When in a WB fight, the boss will make you scared and you will flee. There is always the same (usual someones) standing outside of the fight waiting to jump the WB. However, the WB will not make you flee if there is not a (usual someone) waiting outside of the cloud. ("Part of the Game" or Pattern?)
- Instant teleport. I'm sorry, but there is no way a WB can spawn and then literally two seconds later be killed by the (usual someones). And then, kill a second or third WB within a minute. That does not seem logical to me what-so-ever. ("Gotta Get Good" or Pattern?)
- I just seen 4 different (usual someones) jump the same cloud. One apparently died in fight. I went to jump the WB thinking I just MIGHT have a chance. The WB fled from me, and not a second later. It stated a (usual someone) killed the WB. ("Glitch" or Pattern?)
Not only has this happened to me multiple times, but others I've spoken to as well. I've seen it spoken about in forums, the chat room, and it seems this issue is being completely overlooked and spoken about as if it were a "silly" concept and cheating just isn't possible. Cheating/Hacking exists on all levels of gaming. From games like CS:GO to Small Mobile Games. I've recently become a noble, and I'm honestly considering quitting this great little game. I'm not sure if it's worth having to deal with Cheaters and Hackers and then have it spoken about in a hush-hush manner like it could never happen.
I'm sure a lot of others see the same thing I see. Look, I'm not trying to start an argument or cause a WB War. I just feel frustrated. This great game that has so many great qualities is being ruined by Cheaters. Now, I'm also not saying that everyone who kills a WB is a Hacker. I'm fully aware of that. But, there has been too many patterns in my mind to not wonder if this is becoming a serious issue.
Rant Over….
Is it possible to produce any hard evidence of cheating? I am thinking the detection would have to occur on the administrative side.
@"Winston Wun" I am considering recording my screen when I see something strange. Like I mentioned. I don't believe everyone is up to no good. But, when a pattern begins to happen it bothers me. I don't want to quit due to this. I just don't know if anything is actually going to be done about it. So, I wanted to voice my concern.
Hey z0mbiep0tat0 -
Thanks for the report. I'll dig into investigating some of the specifics you mentioned. If you have recorded screenshots or video of suspicious activity, definitely get it to us. Probably the easiest way is to upload it somewhere and send a link to the CS mail account describing what you saw (and when).
Thank you @rdragon for responding to my post! I appreciate that a lot! I'm going to figure out the best way to record my screen so I can send it over to you guys. Like I mentioned, I love this game. It's grown on me a lot but the frustration is real! Again, thank you and I'll keep an eye out for sure!
Not that cheating is outside realm of possibility but I do a bit of boss hunting and the "regulars" I see out there I don't think are cheating.
Are they parking alts at every boss zone so they can run there immediately? Yes. But this also happens in every other MMO I've played with rare spawns.
If you want to get the bosses you'll essentially have to do the same.
@Khego I understand that there are players who AFK at boss locations. However, I believe there is a BIG difference in being a swift player and jumping on the WB as soon as you can, and then seeing 4 toons jumping into an already formed cloud, and when I'm able to finally jump the WB because it appears one of those toons has died, the WB flees from my fight and then it says in Chat it has been killed by someone else not even a second later.. Some of these players I see snatch WB within seconds of a WB spawn. Please enlighten me as to how someone kills a WB within 20 seconds of spawn? That includes travel and fight time. I know what I see isn't logical. Like I said, I'm not saying everyone is hacking. That is silly. But, what I've been seeing and what I saw today is hacking. I've been in the gaming scene a long while. I know a hack when I see one.
Most WB's r easy and can be killed within seconds,people who station guys around the world to farm WB's r losers,but it's fair game. Just spit on them if and when you see them,However it is possible to just randomly find and kill a boss very quickly,obvioussly it takes good luck to navigate to the right spot fast enough,just publicly announce your hate and disgust for people who are overly greedy killing them. Anyone who doesnt want to be publicly hated will slow down. It might be fair game,but nobody wants to constantly see the same person succeeding while they fail. Although publicly denouncing people will just make you look like a whiney baby,but trust me you are not the only one who see's what you see,and feels what you feel. Most people get a clue eventually when they are farming too hard and begining to gain ill will from doing so and will slow down. Spose some still are just clueless and likely need to be spit on more before they get the message. Good luck with that.
honestly who didn't see this coming.?
I'm just glad they ended up putting some other way of getting master reagents or the entire master armor system would be controlled by like 4 people.
@Khego I understand that there are players who AFK at boss locations. However, I believe there is a BIG difference in being a swift player and jumping on the WB as soon as you can, and then seeing 4 toons jumping into an already formed cloud, and when I'm able to finally jump the WB because it appears one of those toons has died, the WB flees from my fight and then it says in Chat it has been killed by someone else not even a second later.. Some of these players I see snatch WB within seconds of a WB spawn. Please enlighten me as to how someone kills a WB within 20 seconds of spawn? That includes travel and fight time. I know what I see isn't logical. Like I said, I'm not saying everyone is hacking. That is silly. But, what I've been seeing and what I saw today is hacking. I've been in the gaming scene a long while. I know a hack when I see one.
What you are seeing is an Illusionary Foe that you are able to jump after combat ends but the cloud is still up because the character who killed the WB hasn’t exited combat yet. If you look at it, it has significantly less HP. It’s not fleeing its disappearing.
Not that cheating is outside realm of possibility but I do a bit of boss hunting and the "regulars" I see out there I don't think are cheating.
Are they parking alts at every boss zone so they can run there immediately? Yes. But this also happens in every other MMO I've played with rare spawns.
If you want to get the bosses you'll essentially have to do the same.
I agree. I usually only go after the Master Reagent bosses, only Cael anymore, and I have never seen anything suspicious either. If people want to devote their time to WB killing, dungeon crawling, towning, trading, I don’t see harm in it. If you are a devoted WB killer who stations their characters around the world I don’t see how you can get too mad at them, that’s their drive and they enjoy it. I prefer dungeon crawling for loot, that’s what I enjoy. Although people aren’t affected but my farming, it would be along the same lines as getting mad at me for farming dungeons too hard. “Yo Zangulas is that your 2nd Mage Sig you are selling today?” “Well yes it is.” “Stop farming so hard, we hate you.”
I'm really glad to see a staff commented in here and is going to look into this. Because I agree with z0mbiep0tat0. Clearly something is going on with the WB's. I see there are some people in here trying to defend it. Maybe they are friends of those who are the usual constant WB killers or do it as well? I know there's a diffrence between just farming, devoting time to something to actually seeing people teleport to where the boss is! The game I'm sure is easy to code, and there are some 'regulars' that know how to do so. I used to play back in the day and hacking was a thing then. Especially speed hacking. There may have to be some changes so it's fair for everyone, especially new comers. That way everyone has a shot. Not just the same ones who are able to somehow teleport to these bosses and kill them, one after another.
Snaggletooth is no surprise that it gets found fairly quickly. Area is small. Although would be nice to see some 'newbies' get it sometimes. What I think z0mbiep0tat0 is seeing is what I've seen a couple times along with others. (There is another post even in here on people teleporting right to them) They are seeing not just 'stationary' people somehow managing to get to every location in seconds, but seeing weird activity happen AT the WBs. Like the teleporting on screen to where the boss is. I stood near a boss once that was 'too high' for my character to beat. And one of the common WB killers, didn't WALK to the area. They spawned there, right in the middle near the boss. That's devotion? No, that's some sort of cheat/hack/coding.
I'm glad the dev came on yesterday and gave us that paper to fill out, because I think there will be other complaints on this part of the game. Would be nice to see more newcomers (bigger playerbase). Other than that. It's enjoyable and it's good to be back.
Thanks for writing about this. I think many will agree (besides a couple people), that it needs to be addressed.
Look guys, I'm not angry because someone is "farming too hard". That's not what I'm frustrated about. You farm it, you earned it. However, I know what I saw. It wasn't an "illusionary foe spell". The monster had almost half health. When I scrolled over to add defenseless I saw the health bar. It wasn't just a tiny bit of health left. There's no way someone would have been able to kill it with one strike. ALSO, there were 3 other toons that jumped into the cloud that was ALREADY formed. You can't even do that when in a group with others. So, please tell me what spell that is, because I'd love to get in on that one. (It was the WB that spawns in the Dunes. It wasn't a dinky rat king WB.) I know the difference, like I've mentioned several times. I'm just going to record my screen and send in what I see and let the Devs/Mods take care of the issue. I'm not stupid, I know what I saw, and it seems, others are seeing it as well..
@MiRaKeLz I know what you're talking about. I've seen the instant teleport as well. It looks like when a mod teleports to you to give you something such as when you turn in a Starrie Key.
Hopefully, I'm able to catch it next time. Hack to win just doesn't seem fair to me.
Look guys, I'm not angry because someone is "farming too hard". That's not what I'm frustrated about. You farm it, you earned it. However, I know what I saw. It wasn't an "illusionary foe spell". The monster had almost half health. When I scrolled over to add defenseless I saw the health bar. It wasn't just a tiny bit of health left. There's no way someone would have been able to kill it with one strike. ALSO, there were 3 other toons that jumped into the cloud that was ALREADY formed. You can't even do that when in a group with others. So, please tell me what spell that is, because I'd love to get in on that one. (It was the WB that spawns in the Dunes. It wasn't a dinky rat king WB.) I know the difference, like I've mentioned several times. I'm just going to record my screen and send in what I see and let the Devs/Mods take care of the issue. I'm not stupid, I know what I saw, and it seems, others are seeing it as well..
@MiRaKeLz I know what you're talking about. I've seen the instant teleport as well. It looks like when a mod teleports to you to give you something such as when you turn in a Starrie Key.
Hopefully, I'm able to catch it next time. Hack to win just doesn't seem fair to me.
Again, what you are seeing is the illusion that the player cast of the WB that looks exactly like the WB, not the WB itself. The Illusionary Foe copy has the same percentage health as the mob when cast. It having half health doesn’t correlate what the boss had at the end of combat. I’ve attacked an Illusionary Cael a few times and know what you are talking about, and it disappears immediately on the first round of combat, it doesn’t flee. When I attacked an Illusionary Cael I saw that it only had like 30K health which was way too low for that WB, confirming the illusion. 3 other people must have attacked the same illusion that you did. Combat cloud does not disappear until all the loot is looted or if everyone is ejected from combat by death or fear. It’s a bug that needs to be fixed. It’s not just WB that stick around after combat, it’s any illusion or summon. Try attacking one sometime after you exit combat in a dungeon. It will immediately disappear.
The teleporting that you guys mentioned and Cannon mentioned might be true, but I’ve personally never seen it. I’m not very devoted to WB chasing so it’s very possible that if there is a hack, I probably missed it. MODs can teleport. It’s not to far of a stretch that the command could be used for regular players and even more likely that it’s the MODs doing it on their normal accounts if it isn’t locked.
Okay, lets say give the benefit of the doubt to them for the Illusion spell. I'll call that Part of the Game. That's fine. However, the people who jumped the already formed cloud jumped it before I seen the spelled WB. Is that a glitch or part of the spell? What I saw is something I've never seen before. It did not look like part of the game. Also, what you're saying is that it's the mods that are cheating? That sucks. Why are they allowed to use a command on their personal accounts? That still does not seem right at all. Either way, Hack to win by mods or not makes for a crappy experience for players who don't have that awesome teleport command. How are others suppose to compete when mods or other players are basically on steroids? Idk, man. I just find the whole thing shady and it pushes me from enjoying the game.
Okay, lets say give the benefit of the doubt to them for the Illusion spell. I'll call that Part of the Game. That's fine. However, the people who jumped the already formed cloud jumped it before I seen the spelled WB. Is that a glitch or part of the spell? What I saw is something I've never seen before. It did not look like part of the game. Also, what you're saying is that it's the mods that are cheating? That sucks. Why are they allowed to use a command on their personal accounts? That still does not seem right at all. Either way, Hack to win by mods or not makes for a crappy experience for players who don't have that awesome teleport command. How are others suppose to compete when mods or other players are basically on steroids? Idk, man. I just find the whole thing shady and it pushes me from enjoying the game.
Yes, the game combat round was over and the illusions were released. The players side combat round was still ongoing. Ever wonder why you see exp rewarded but then there is more combat damage after? Its server latency. You don’t see the name show up until the player sees it even though the outcome is already determined on the server side.
I’m not saying they are or aren’t, but that’s more likely than hackers. I’m still on the side that it didn’t happen. People appearing is most likely to player latency between computers and it appearing that they are just showing up when they are just running at high speed like everyone else.
These people who are frequent killers have probably memorized the spawn locations. If I had to guess each WB only has 2-3. They don’t just appear randomly and they may even cycle in order.
Why are they allowed to use a command on their personal accounts?
I can quickly clear this part up - staff is not allowed to use GM commands to aid their personal characters. Every use of a GM command is logged, and there is no indication of abuse of this.
In regards to people just appearing out of nowhere,did you guys ever think maybe there was an invis toon you didnt notice and they gathered their group? On another note to touch on WB spawns,it has been said that they are random,what exactly that means i dont know,but it suggests there r not just a few spawn locations.
In regards to people just appearing out of nowhere,did you guys ever think maybe there was an invis toon you didnt notice and they gathered their group? On another note to touch on WB spawns,it has been said that they are random,what exactly that means i dont know,but it suggests there r not just a few spawn locations.
I'm assuming this comment was also directed towards me. I know people can go invisible. That's why I always have see invisibility on. No one was there or gathered. (The area was also open, I'd see someone invisible.) Other people are seeing it too. It's not just me. All I'm saying is I hope it's looked into, there's something not right..
As for random spawns, that's great, how it should be. But if some are able to use code/cheats to teleport on the map to where they are. That feature is pointless.
Not going to sit here and debate with those who don't see what some of us do. (Or perhaps who do know, and are hush about it.) I'm just going to state what I saw is not fair game. And hopefully something changes about that so it is more fair for EVERYONE. That's all.
Besides that, the game is awesome! And I'm already a paid member who enjoys being back on here!
WBs cast fear. Fear makes you flee. When someone else jumps the WB first and THEY cast fear, the WB can flee. If they are still feared when you jump them, they will often flee again. When Ill Foe dies, sometimes it falls out of combat and you can jump it, but then it disappears. On slower computers and/or internet connections, sometimes the latency delay creates the illusion that people are jumping into clouds that already exist. When players start combat while group members are still making their way to the screen, a combat cloud will start, but there will be a delay before the toons transport into the cloud. I have personally killed 3-4 WBs within 1-2 minutes of each other out of either sheer luck (found them quickly) or because I was running 2 or 3 accounts looking for each of them at the same time. Also, I have studied the world map and practiced finding them, which has made me better at it. Finally, I hunt a LOT of world bosses and have never seen any indication at all that someone has been "cheating" to find them. I think this is all a bunch of misunderstanding about game mechanics mixed with emotion and frustration. People often like to blame things they don't understand on cheating, even when evidence does not exist.
All of that being said, if there is evidence that someone did something wrong, I support whatever discipline/countermeasure devs want to take to correct it. I don't read anything here that would suggest wrongdoing, though. Just a couple of people who may not understand how TRO works.
I've never personally witnessed this appearing act ya'll have refered to,but i cant say its not possible or not occuring,i would surely hope its not,shrug gl with that.
It's no surprise that certain people will defend this issue. And I know what a cheat is. I know what I saw. (As I'm sure others know what they see too.) Someone else even saw the same thing in the other WB concern post on here from Jason. I'm not 'new', I know how this game works with 'flee' and spells Stint. (No one was at the fight or walked into the zone, they showed up like a MOD can). I also know that people knew how to cheat/code on the older Realm as well when it was run by Norseman Games. (Which wasn't right then either.) It's not a blame game. It's a "that's not normal and needs to be looked into" thing. That's all.
I've never personally witnessed this appearing act ya'll have refered to,but i cant say its not possible or not occuring,i would surely hope its not,shrug gl with that.
^^ Lucky you!
Anyways, not going to start a World War 3 on here about this. It just is a bummer & odd. Enjoy your day everyone!
sorry Mirakelz that you have witnessed such,i am with you if somthing is amiss. i do not condone cheating or other scum like behavior. i can see how it might be upsetting as well,im not playing much at the moment so not having a direct effect on me,kinda got a bit lazy on the WB's anyway.i hope it gets worked out,n i hope u may perhaps find somthing to make u feel better : )
It's no surprise that certain people will defend this issue. And I know what a cheat is.
Khego please stop cheating.
